Grand Prix Vs. Le Mans - Page 2 - Team Juicy Racing's Racing School and Race Series Forums

Duncan · #51 09-21-2006

I remember, but since I hadn't seen Grand Prix in June I felt I should at least give it a shot before speaking my support

dlippert · #52 09-21-2006

The most amazing thing looking at Grand Prix is to recognize that virtually all of the real F1 drivers in the movie were at that time already too old to be leading F1 drivers in today's environment

gmg321 · #53 09-21-2006

Death Race 2000!

Just kidding...
1)Lap of the Gods - no contest (come on Duncan!) Cheever countersteering in the rain the exact amount as what is needed for turn in for the next corner is simply too lucky to ignore!
2)Faster - Amazing! Fearless! Spectacular!
3)Unfair Advantage - Michelle Mouton in an Audi Quattro at speed over Danica any day!

Movie, movies?
1)Grand Prix - It's open wheel! Maybe someone should start a Panoz web site for the fans of LeMans!
2)Gumball Rally - good one Sy!
3)Blues Brothers - who can knock a Ford Pinto stationwagon being dropped from thousands of feet to Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries. "Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration!"

Go Nicky Hayden!

Duncan · #54 09-21-2006

Lap of the Gods doesn't count, but while we're on the subject, the 956 onboard video is steller too.

Also, while you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who loves the Blues Brothers more than I, a chase ain't a race, so it doesn't qualify!

gmg321 · #55 09-21-2006

Okay, Duncan! You win!

No Man's Land!

macdod · #56 10-01-2006

Has anybody ever seen SPEED TRIBE a documentary about Le Mans done in 2001?

Very, very cool!

http://www.dance51.com/speedtribe/dvdtrailer.html

5&counting · #57 12-25-2006

Any one watching Grand Prix today?

1 bottle of Wine!
1 bottle of vodka!... not yet!
Dinner with the in-laws?

Great Movie

RCGRLman · #58 12-25-2006

OK, are you suggesting that you got your inlaws to watch the movie, drink the vodka, or all of the above? If so, you are a god! Of course if you got them to watch Le Mans, you'd also be my hero (and working a lot more days) besides being a god..

Merry Christmas to all!

cdh · #59 12-26-2006

I was surfing around the other day, Grand Prix was on, caught the scene where Garner is trying to get a ride with Ferrari - the Enzo character was concerned that Garner cost the Lotus team two race cars costing $100,000 apiece. Amazing to think in F1 today that gets you a few sets of brake rotors or a steering wheel

dalyduo · #60 12-26-2006

It's interesting that the formula one cars from the "Grand Prix" era are mechanically closer to the current SBRS school cars than the exotic animals of formula one today. So much in a current formula one car didn't exist back then. Carbon fiber, computer aided design and instant data feedback hadn't even been dreamed of. The expenses are truly staggering even if you adjust for inflation, but the current cars are as close to the space shuttle in complexity as those 60's era cars were to farm tractors.

Big Sexy · #61 12-29-2006

I have to chime in. I am with Bobo. Cars is hands down the best racing movie ever. Kills LeMans and Grand Prix. Of course there is some cool footage in both LM and GP, but the best racing movie ever opened this past summer.

Slowhands · #62 12-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Big Sexy

I have to chime in. I am with Bobo. Cars is hands down the best racing movie ever. Kills LeMans and Grand Prix. Of course there is some cool footage in both LM and GP, but the best racing movie ever opened this past summer.

I think that may be because Cars is more about being a racer than about "racing." Loved it.

cdh · #63 12-29-2006

Speed's GP broadcast today had interviews with Frankenheimer (director) and Garner - great stories about the production, actors, drivers, camera rigs, etc. Worth watching the film again to see the interviews.

cdh · #64 01-02-2007

Another comparison - in the movie Grand Prix, a race lap at Monaco was 1:29:30 according to the script - the current record is Schumi in 2004 at 1:14:439. I think the present day layout is close to that run in 1966, there is the sharper Nouvelle Chicane at the end of the tunnel straight, but I think the course is close. WWRTD? What Would an R/T Do?

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Originally Posted by dalyduo

It's interesting that the formula one cars from the "Grand Prix" era are mechanically closer to the current SBRS school cars than the exotic animals of formula one today. So much in a current formula one car didn't exist back then. Carbon fiber, computer aided design and instant data feedback hadn't even been dreamed of. The expenses are truly staggering even if you adjust for inflation, but the current cars are as close to the space shuttle in complexity as those 60's era cars were to farm tractors.

RCGRLman · #65 01-02-2007

WWRTD? Hmmm...

I think that Laguna Seca might be the only track where we'd have some sort of comparison times.. Based on the Toyota F1 track record at Laguna of 1:06:309 (and that can't have been all that was in the car..) and the current National Championship track record with the Formula Skip Barber 2000 (new corporately correct car name) of 1:38:419 (on slicks back in 2001) and if the current track record at Monaco is 1:14:439.. The calculator spits out something in the neighborhood of 1:50..

Using the only street course data I think we have from Trois Rivieres and making a course length adjustment from the 1.521 mile 3 Rivers length to the 2.09 mile Monaco length you'd get a lap time somewhere near 1:40 (based on the current Skippy 2000 lap record at Trois Rivieres of 1:12.600)..

Me personally I think we need to go over there and answer this important question with some real time data.. Anyone want to figure out what the cost would be to get a Skippy car over there?

5&counting · #66 01-02-2007

Buck,

Soon we can work out the paticulars... when can I work in CA?

AZRCD · #67 01-03-2007

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Originally Posted by cdh

Another comparison - in the movie Grand Prix, a race lap at Monaco was 1:29:30 according to the script - the current record is Schumi in 2004 at 1:14:439. I think the present day layout is close to that run in 1966, there is the sharper Nouvelle Chicane at the end of the tunnel straight, but I think the course is close. WWRTD? What Would an R/T Do?

Back in '66 there was on swimming pool complex and the final corner was a simple 180deg. hairpin and not the La Rascasse, Noghes combo of today. Also, I think the section after the Lowes (Grand Hotel now, Casino then I think) hairpin now called Portier was different and shorter. Not a huge difference, but enough to take note of. Then again Monaco has been well under and FIA minimum circuit length for years and years now, but it is kept because it is Monaco.