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New Western Series Schedule

November 3-4 Laguna Seca
December 1-2 Laguna Seca
January 12-13 Laguna Seca
February 16-17 Sebring
March 8-9 Las Vegas
April 5-6 Miller Motorsports

I'm not sure what I was hoping for, but this wasn't it
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Too bad Thunderhill isn't on the list, from the video I saw it looks like a ton of fun to drive. Anyone know why Infineon, or Buttonwillow, or some of the other west coast tracks are not used? Too pricey?

I found this list thru google, am I wrong or are there not that many suitable tracks on this list? I can already hear Sebring in Feb calling......
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Sebring isnt exactly in the "West" but I believe, or hope, that is a misprint because in the same section of the new south series they have Las Vegas smack second to last.
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Sebring isnt exactly in the "West" but I believe, or hope, that is a misprint because in the same section of the new south series they have Las Vegas smack second to last.
Those are combo West / South weekends. I mentioned Sebring because it's one of my favorite races of the year.
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The finale in Utah should make for an exciting banquet! Shirley Temple, anyone?!
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I believe Thunderhill was pushed very hard by the folks in Skippy that look beyond the bottom line but it was rejected because last years turnout was not adequate to "risk" doing it again. They lost a lot of $ because the 9 or 10 people that noshowed due to the weather meant they didn't have enough to break even. Very sad as it is one of the best tracks I've driven, but not a big surprise. Buttonwillow, another great Westie track, is not on the sched for the same reason. It is in the middle of nowhere so they figure no one will come. Infineon isn't used as it is the home of the "Russell" organization and those boys don't like to share. Despite a lot of peoples efforts Skippy just doesn't seem to believe, or doesn't want to put in the effort to create and maintain a true West Coast Series, thus Sebring. It saves Skippy a lot of money to combine series for obvious reasons. A great track but not one many from the West will travel to. The Vegas track sucks (in my humble opinion) but the town is a big draw and they are doing Utah last because the track has a very nice banquet facility and yes, you can get alcohol there. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of those participating but I think the West Coast Series may be a bit weak this year. Still, Laguna is in amazing shape and worth a drive.
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Laguna is in amazing shape and worth a drive.
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or three
Or two. This schedule kind of shoots down my season. I can't make one of the Laguna Seca races, don't want to go to Sebring or Vegas and am not sure about Miller.
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Or two. This schedule kind of shoots down my season. I can't make one of the Laguna Seca races, don't want to go to Sebring or Vegas and am not sure about Miller.
Need to feed your open wheel fix this winter? Just an idea: there are 2 sprint car schools and a ton of dirt tracks out West. Check out Doug's list!
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I'd love to drive Laguna again, but could only make the January date. In almost 4 years of coming around Skippy I don't think I've heard of a single January Laguna race weekend that wasn't freezing cold, raining and totally fogged in. I think I'll run Vegas (along with Road Atlanta and Sebring in the East) and leave it at that.
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Oh, now Michele. So much negativity. It can absolutely be balmy in Monterey in Dec and Jan. Of course I'm from Seattle and not Florida so it is a relative thing. It would be a wonderful thing to have you and Murray at Laguna. It is a much better track than Las Vegas (by a long shot) but I would understand if you are a bit intimidated by the Corkscrew (okay, feeble attempt but ya can't blame a guy for trying).
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Intimidated by the corkscrew doesn't begin to cover it, Tom. On my 3rd race weekend (the only time I've driven at Laguna) I got passed in the corkscrew by both Mur and Sprague Theobald, one on either side ! It happened so fast I didn't get scared until Turn 9
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I know what you mean. Sprague pulled one of those on me my first year. It was turn 6 though. I was in 1st, he was in 2nd. He bloody well passed me by leaping the apex curbing. Keep in mind I was at the apex. If I wasn't so pissed off I at the time I would have told him it was a beautiful thing to behold. He never went off course because he was in the air at the time. He still gloats about that one. No excuses come to Laguna in Dec. Carmel is very nice that time of year.
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Tom, I think your right about there lack of interest in the western series. Thunderhill is a great track and they should have given it another chance. With that said, there are easily a dozen tracks in the area all of which would have been a welcome addition had they decided to try something else. There are 2 West/South weekends which means I get to see a lot of old friends, but why not try a new track somewhere in the middle?
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btw Tom, does that mean your comming back to defend your title?
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anybody besides me notice the price of a race weekend went up $300?
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Yeah, I noticed. Oh, joy. And we have to double that
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anybody besides me notice the price of a race weekend went up $300?
I noticed it too. I guess I was just hoping it only applied to the Western series. A little bit of deinal maybe...
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Top 10 Reasons to Run the West Series
(from a guy who now lives 60mins from Lime Rock...)
  1. Laguna Seca is an amazing track - natural road course, elevation changes, corners with personality
  2. Low crash damage - you can hurl the car off-course, but thanks to the mods for MotoGP, you almost have to aim at a wall to hit something. (hitting each other, different topic)
  3. It is FAST - not sure if anyone has timed courses where you are flat out, but it is VERY fast (and very slow/technical - the screw, turn 11...)
  4. The track has invested in improvements - the facility is a treat to drive (though I keep reminding Todd that they REALLY need to improve the toilets). Gotta appreciate the fact they are trying to make it better. Two repaves in two years...
  5. The West Series instructors. It's like combining the casts of Saturday Night Live, Discovery Channel's "MythBusters", "All in the Family" and "The Flintsones" (Fogarty). Add in 2-3 of your college buddies and you get the picture. Plus, they are GOOD, FAST and want everyone to have fun.
  6. OK, so Skippy does a crap job at doing tracks other than Laguna. Agree with Tom about why (not) Thunderhill (from someone who paid and had to cancel due to flight problems from China..). However, Miller is AWESOME. Even when it snows...
  7. There is a LOT to do around Laguna Seca - for us, for young families, even for the couple of you bringing wives, girlfriends (or both, on alernate weekends..). Carmel, Monterey, San Francisco is right there...
  8. Weather. I have done 2 years at Laguna, have only had one "real" weather day, which was an exciting break. Any who whines about weather at Laguna forgets the heat, rain, plagues of the East tracks.
  9. The drivers. The West series attracts good people and some real characters. Alan Baia (combo of Gordon Gekko and Attila the Hun); Tom Roberts ("can I fill that cavity for you between sessions?"), Gray Gregory ("I should be in Champ, but Sportsman guarantees me a podium!"), the Travers, plus a bunch of cameo appearances from even bigger characters. This group is a mob - not a clique. All prospective members welcome - as long as you have some dysfunctions.
  10. We're SO far from Lakeville, we only get to see Aaron, George and the Corporate folks - at most -once a year. Luckily, they stay hidden away from us, so we still have fun!!
I am sure you have some better ideas - please correct me where I am in error...
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Thought I was going to pee my pants reading that (happens with age), Al. You hit the Laguna nail on the head. I'm sure Tommy Forgarty will enjoy the reference to Fred Flintstone. But don't forget the West Coast mascot and all around great instructor, Brian Germone. And you are being far too humble. Al Dialatree, Delatrie?????? (shit) Big Al is the only guy I know who can apex turn 11 while simaltaneously waving to a cute chick standing at the pit wall. Serious talent there.
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Well, God knows I've got the dysfunction for it...
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Where better to celebrate your dysfunction than in the state that brought you anal bleaching (gotta look fresh after that Brazilian wax job), California
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In some circles, that's not dysfunction, it's a Saturday night out !
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...you anal bleaching (gotta look fresh after that Brazilian wax job), California
DO WHAT????! EEeeuuuw!

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No, for this, it'd DEFINATLY be Mr Zoggs Sex Wax
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well I'd say this qualifies as one of the oddest _____

glad you're still lurking around TJ Al, have you moved north?
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No, for this, it'd DEFINATLY be Mr Zoggs Sex Wax
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well I'd say this qualifies as one of the oddest _____


glad you're still lurking around TJ Al, have you moved north?
Hey Doug -

I am still here...lurking is a good term, since I've been working in some odd places (eg China, India, Rochester....) and a lot of places block TJR.....must be the "Juicy" pics?

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I've been working in some odd places eg China, India,
Hey Al, where did you go in India, and did you have time to do any sightseeing?
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Top 10 Reasons to Run the West Series
(from a guy who now lives 60mins from Lime Rock...)
  1. Laguna Seca is an amazing track - natural road course, elevation changes, corners with personality
  2. Low crash damage - you can hurl the car off-course, but thanks to the mods for MotoGP, you almost have to aim at a wall to hit something. (hitting each other, different topic)
  3. It is FAST - not sure if anyone has timed courses where you are flat out, but it is VERY fast (and very slow/technical - the screw, turn 11...)
  4. The track has invested in improvements - the facility is a treat to drive (though I keep reminding Todd that they REALLY need to improve the toilets). Gotta appreciate the fact they are trying to make it better. Two repaves in two years...
  5. The West Series instructors. It's like combining the casts of Saturday Night Live, Discovery Channel's "MythBusters", "All in the Family" and "The Flintsones" (Fogarty). Add in 2-3 of your college buddies and you get the picture. Plus, they are GOOD, FAST and want everyone to have fun.
  6. OK, so Skippy does a crap job at doing tracks other than Laguna. Agree with Tom about why (not) Thunderhill (from someone who paid and had to cancel due to flight problems from China..). However, Miller is AWESOME. Even when it snows...
  7. There is a LOT to do around Laguna Seca - for us, for young families, even for the couple of you bringing wives, girlfriends (or both, on alernate weekends..). Carmel, Monterey, San Francisco is right there...
  8. Weather. I have done 2 years at Laguna, have only had one "real" weather day, which was an exciting break. Any who whines about weather at Laguna forgets the heat, rain, plagues of the East tracks.
  9. The drivers. The West series attracts good people and some real characters. Alan Baia (combo of Gordon Gekko and Attila the Hun); Tom Roberts ("can I fill that cavity for you between sessions?"), Gray Gregory ("I should be in Champ, but Sportsman guarantees me a podium!"), the Travers, plus a bunch of cameo appearances from even bigger characters. This group is a mob - not a clique. All prospective members welcome - as long as you have some dysfunctions.
  10. We're SO far from Lakeville, we only get to see Aaron, George and the Corporate folks - at most -once a year. Luckily, they stay hidden away from us, so we still have fun!!
I am sure you have some better ideas - please correct me where I am in error...
Al great post....you convinced me to come out from Jackson Hole and try Laguna this winter as a replacement for Vegas.

After I just decided to cut back on my budget....they pull-ll me back in...oh well I can always drop Daytona or homestead. Living where I do it certainly makes sense to do more races in CA, especially if the snow's not great.
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I actually have some "sex wax" but i use it for my skis and nothing else)

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Al great post....you convinced me to come out from Jackson Hole and try Laguna this winter as a replacement for Vegas.
Go to the November or December weekend, because you will want to go back for more.
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Go to the November or December weekend, because you will want to go back for more.
Ted, will you be there for any of the three??

Probably will be do the Jan LS, but I'll see. Atlanta and Sebring are can't miss, I love Road Atlanta )#1) and my 97 year old dad is in Tampa with my sister so Sabering is perfect and I like the track (#4 or 5?). Homestead I have never ran it, but no burning desire to either, so that is the logical time for LS.

So far my winter plans are tenatively...like who cares anyway)

Atlanta
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Go to the November or December weekend, because you will want to go back for more.
Ted, will you be there for any of the three??

I probably will be do the Jan LS, but I'll see. Atlanta and Sebring are can't miss dates. I love Road Atlanta (my #1) and my 97 year old dad is in Tampa with my sister so Sebring is perfect to visit family and I like the track (#4 or 5?). Homestead I have never run, but no burning desire to either, a logical time to do LS.

My tentative winter plans so far...like who cares anyway)

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Hey Al, where did you go in India, and did you have time to do any sightseeing?
Beautiful downtown Bangalore, though I did have a hop over to Chennai for a day. All work, no play....."sightseeing" limited to the 20min ride to/from our hotel, with a driver who wanted to prove he was the next Harsha Sen in the Bangalore Demolition Derby...

as for Vegas....while it wasn't a bad track, whenever the highlights of a track are more about where it is, and/or the side entertainment (eg F-15's from Nellis...), you gotta wonder....
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Ted, will you be there for any of the three??
Don, probably not (regrettably). High school begins on Thursday of next week, and our semester does not conclude until mid-December. The December Laguna date moved up one week this year and no longer fits within a gap in the school's schedule between the end of classes and my final exam. Oh well.
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I see Patrick Barrett signed up on TJ, hi Patrick, last time I saw you was on the podium at Tremblant for our Skip race. Sounds like you are really tearing up the tracks out west. To the point of this post, here is an F2000 schedule from
his website, nice huh? Too bad Skip can't put a sched like this together for you westies.... (altho I am surprised Laguna is not included, I guess Mazda wants to keep non-Mazda powered open wheel cars out of there)

2007 Pacific F2000 Championship Series

March 9-11 - California Speedway, Fontana
March 31, April 1 - Willow Springs Raceway, Rosamond, California
May 5-6 - Buttonwillow Raceway, Buttonwillow, California
July 14-15 - Miller Motorsports Park, Salt Lake City, Utah
September 22-23 - Infineon Raceway, Sonoma, California
October 13-14 - Las Vegas Motor Speedway, Nevada

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Too bad Skip can't put a sched like this together for you westies....
after watching all the recent televised races from Infineon (Sears Point to all us old-schoolers), am dying to drive there, Skip or no Skip
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anybody besides me notice the price of a race weekend went up $300?
look at it as $100 per day increase (or less with lapping), does it sound that bad? I see this as trouble for the Mechanics Fund, makes it tougher to find that extra cash for their "tip", ya know?
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look at it as $100 per day increase (or less with lapping), does it sound that bad? I see this as trouble for the Mechanics Fund, makes it tougher to find that extra cash for their "tip", ya know?
That's another problem I have with Skip-- they should pay those guys better. I'd still tip 'em, but from listening to Sid, sounds like it's pitiful how badly they're paid now given how hard they work and how dedicated they are. IMO a "mechanics fund" should be a "bonus" for those guys, not the necessity it seems to be.
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That's another problem I have with Skip-- they should pay those guys better. I'd still tip 'em, but from listening to Sid, sounds like it's pitiful how badly they're paid now given how hard they work and how dedicated they are. IMO a "mechanics fund" should be a "bonus" for those guys, not the necessity it seems to be.
You have to be ready to pay for their raises then.
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look at it as $100 per day increase (or less with lapping), does it sound that bad? I see this as trouble for the Mechanics Fund, makes it tougher to find that extra cash for their "tip", ya know?
Or, $4.10 an hour. $300 cash is $300 cash (not barter). What is that a 10%+ increase? Don’t know about your company, but I don’t know many companies getting a 10% increase, other than maybe Accenture (had to give Al a poke to wake him up)


So, why such a large increase, multi-year deals @ the tracks hold down cost, Mazda throwing free cars and parts adds $0, ridiculous damage charges adds more $$$$, could it be the large wage increase to mechanics, but then why are we subsidizing their compensation.


We all talk about the “family” culture of Skippy, but from my prospective it a one-way street. We continue to give money and loyality, the other side of the family doesn’t communicate with us and always has it hand out for more money.

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Will someone please post the latest SB accounting books? It appears some have access to their financials.

I am always amazed at the armchair CEO's here. I have no idea what their job costs are like so I don't bash the business decisions they make. I am not defending those decisions, only saying I am not qualified/don't have the data to judge them....
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You have to be ready to pay for their raises then.
Perhaps. My humble opinion is that, given the footprint the company occupies on the racing school/race series/instructional/corporate entertainment universe, if it were run more creatively the money would be there. There are so many possible revenue streams. The mechanics are treated like indentured help. Make that a center of excellence, get sponsorship for them (tool and supply companies, glove and attire cos,), and atract the best. Give them some prominence you'll get companies who want to be on the shirt. You gotta think outside the box.
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Will someone please post the latest SB accounting books? It appears some have access to their financials.

I am always amazed at the armchair CEO's here. I have no idea what their job costs are like so I don't bash the business decisions they make. I am not defending those decisions, only saying I am not qualified/don't have the data to judge them....
Ah, but without all of this internet spawned rumor and innuendo all we would have left would be the facts and statistics, like a baseball score, or worse, the conversations of golfers.

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We all talk about the “family” culture of Skippy, but from my prospective it a one-way street. We continue to give money and loyality, the other side of the family doesn’t communicate with us and always has it hand out for more money.
Good one..... who is creating that family certainly not the guys who come to 1 token race a year, or stand alone studying their blackberry. What surprises me is that they can find mechanics to work at those wages...dreams... i guess, keeps em comin back

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only saying I am not qualified/don't have the data to judge them

Good point doug we do not walk in their shoes and the racing school business is not easy. OTOH, in my 30 years of running a company there are certainly things one can asses without "seeing the books" in fact the books probably look even worse and misleading. It is the general negative tone of the owners that shrouds the company, fear of communication with customers or anyone else, the whole idea of keeping secrets, penny wise pound foolish decisions etc etc. Those things don't happen in a vacuum, they are clues of a company in survival mode and even worse indicative of a management that has no idea how to solve the problems effectively and may not even know what the real issues are (they don't know what they don't know). An example, getting a new car solves nothing, creates debt, adds zero to the bottom line short term or maybe even long term.

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hey Doug-- I'm getting some really wierd stuff. I don't see your post regarding "armchair CEOs" that Rosso is referring to. But when I click on the quote button on Bobblehead's post regarding $4.10 an hour, then the site acts like I'm quoting and responding to YOUR post. I do have a response for you but I was wondering if this thread was acting strange for anyone else.

With regard to your issue with "armchair CEOs"-- armchair NUTHIN! I have run or helped run a university ophthalmology department, a medical research lab, a private medical practice, a commercial recording studio, a music publishing company, and helped build a radio show from a small town conversation starter to an internationally syndicated broadcast with 400+ affiliates and over a million listeners. I built my medical practice from zero. I made a ton of mistakes along the way. I only go into this to say, "I am drawing on life experience when I make my comments. I have learned something through all this." And there are other people on Juicy whose business acumen and experience make me look like a dilletante. As far as the books, the books are like medical lab tests. A good physician only needs lab tests to confirm a diagnosis he has already made -- that was the old school when we were still taught to be doctors rather than lab test orderers. Very few diagnoses are made from the lab test. The diagnosis is made based on an analysis of the patients history, signs, symptoms, and physical examination, which are available to anyone who is sitting in the same room with the patient. You just have to know what to look for. What we are seeing with Skip are those signs and symptoms, and each of us gets to do a physical exam of the race series (or any other course we enroll in) every time we go out. And we can compare our findings with other similar enterprises we experience. You don't need the books to tell a business (or a patient) is sick if you know what to look for. It's all over their faces. The books only confirm how sick.

oh, yeah...and what mahaRosso said.

p.s. great Crayolameister avatar! I too see myself in him...
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